In the Eighth Discourse of Farid al-Din Attar's Elahi Nameh, the son continues to press his father about magic, despite the father's previous harsh condemnations. The son asks his father to define what magic truly is, questioning why something that has become so intensely beloved to him is viewed as flawed by the father. By asking to be made 'aware of the secret of magic,' the son demonstrates a persistent, almost intoxicating desire that resists simple moralistic dismissal, prompting the father to provide a deeper explanation.